A Unity of None: Donna Brazile [Updated]

Cross posted at No Quarter

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It seems that Donna someone should commit me Brazile is starting to have a meltdown. Not since her vainglorious days as Al Gore's failed campaign manager has she been getting so much attention. And these days she uses that attention to weigh in on everything Democratic. Or so she thinks. The trouble is, that by weighing in on everything she is starting to let her biases show and giving everyone a glimpse at the ugly side of the person we all once had great respect for.

A few days ago someone at Hillary is 44 decided to publish the emails received back from Brazile to questions about her seeming Obama bias. To put it mildly, Brazile's comments were hardly what one would expect from a "party leader." In fact, some of the things she said were downright mean. Ben Smith over at Politico picked up on the story and further revealed the dark side of Donna Brazile.

Inside Donna Brazile's BlackBerry

Do you know how many undeclared supers are now just turned off by people like you? Do you understand you're hurting her and not promoting Hillary? Perhaps that explains why a candidate like Obama has raised $40 million in one month. You don't have to e-mail me again.

Perhaps that explained why Obama raised $40 million in one month? Because of people like us that actually question all the bullshit put out by the media concerning Obama? Because we have the nerve to dispute the ridiculous lies that the Obama campaign uses as excuses to rephrase what Obama really meant when he said all that stupid stuff. Because some of us are offended by his racist bigoted spiritual mentor and his typical white person comments?
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Yes, according to Donna Brazile it is because of people like us that Hillary is currently losing this race.

I just sent Hillary a private e-mail telling her that supporters like you are destroying her candidacy.

Isn't that sweet of you Donna. And I am sure that Hillary really appreciates that what you said came from that unbiased heart of yours. Yeah, and pigs fly and take showers daily.

A regular commenter here at No Quarter named mimi sent an email to Donna Brazile pointing out the irony that an African American was disenfranchising the voters of two large states (MI and FL). And this was the response she received:

"Thanks for the joyful email. Like most of the other pro Clinton emails, I have now put them in a special folder called 'tales from the gutter.

Stay positive and remember if she wins, you will need Obama supporters and donors. So please stop throwing stones. Give her the support now and stop sending frivolous emails.".

It is now called throwing stones to point out the truth according to Donna Brazile. Of course we all know that she is the one that laid down the law totally disenfranchising Florida's voters because of the decision to move their primary up. She even said at the time that she intended to send a clear signal to other states that the mighty rules of the DNC were much more important that the millions of Democratic voters in Florida or any other state. And this seems to be a trend with Brazile. Her "independence" is so transparently false that one need only take a casual glance at her own words to reveal where the woman is actually coming from.

But Donna Brazile isn't satisfied taking just pot shots at "angry" Hillary supporters. She decided to weigh in on James Carville for his "Judas" comment which she sees as over the top. And she took it a step further by finding a way to blame this on Hillary.

Hillary, stop throwing elbows at Barack

Mere months ago, Richardson was running against Clinton. Why is his endorsing the presidential candidate with the most pledged delegates, state victories and popular vote count anymore traitorous than running against the former first lady and U.S. senator? Isn't it a little too late to be getting up in arms about misplaced loyalty? Or is this just a warning to any other former presidential candidates, Cabinet secretaries, schedule C appointees, civil servants or former campaign workers of what lies in wait for them should they try to influence the outcome of this nominations process? If so, let me send an urgent message to Al Gore: Stay quiet.

You see to Donna, there is nothing wrong with hopping aboard a train that you perceive to be winning a race even though your past and your loyalties are elsewhere aligned. If you can be on the what you think is a winning team that somehow trumps loyalty, giving your word and honoring your commitments. For wasn't it Bill Richardson who said he would endorse the campaign that ran the most positive message? I wonder how he squares that with Obama's surrogate McPeak claiming that Bill Clinton was just like Joe McCarthy? Or Obama's spiritual mentor God damning AmeriKKK A? And what of the truth behind Carville's statement that Richardson really did betray Hillary? Didn't Bill Clinton state forcefully that Richardson had told him to his face 5 times that he would never do that? But I guess if Bill Clinton is actually Joe McCarthy in disguise that destroys the credibility of anything he has to say. Discredit the messenger so you can safely ignore the message.

And the "warning" comment is what takes me over the edge completely. Nothing like playing the old Republican ruthless card on the Clintons if it just so happens to help the guy you support but you really can't support because you are a DNC official and you are supposed to be unbiased but who cares, He is the One. But you know, Donna Brazile can't keep her biases to herself. She has already made her mind up that Obama is going to get the nomination. And that apparently justifies, at least in her puny mind, her right to attack Hillary and Hillary supporters with impunity.

Poor governor. I don't think Richardson deserves the attacks against him for doing what he thought best to unite the Democratic Party. Rallying behind the presumptive nominee is not traitorous, though I understand why the Clinton campaign would desire to label it as such. Unfortunately for team Clinton, these random and personal attacks aren't working. In fact, Clinton approval ratings have plummeted to the lowest recorded level (37 percent in a recent NBC/WSJ poll) since March 2001. The last seven years have seen war, scandal, recession and terrorism, yet it is the Clintons' scorched earth electoral policy that is tanking her approval ratings.

Yes, those of us that demand that the votes of every state count, that demand that the voters of every state in the nation be given the opportunity to vote before deciding a nominee, we are are the one's that are standing in the way of unifying the party. And yet it is Brazile and Richardson and the rest of the "leaders" that have anointed Obama and called for Hillary to quit the race that are doing their absolute best to rip this party to shreds. They are so completely convinced that Hillary supporters are like uninformed cattle that will come home when they start ringing the bell, that they are willing to throw the majority of DEMOCRATIC party under a bus. Because they have decided that THEY want Obama to be the nominee. Never mind the fact that HILLARY has won more Democratic votes than Obama. Funny how it is only our side that seems to remember that this is a Democratic primary.

If you had any doubt that Brazile hopped upon the Obama bandwagon long ago just read a few of her writings. Of course she doesn't come right out and say that Obama is her choice. But when you read between the lines and especially don't read what an otherwise balanced assessment of things should include you discover that she has endorsed Obama by omission if nothing else. In an article on her website deploring the negative tone of the primary Brazile lets her true bias shine through.

Voters can't find the real issues behind all that mud

First she accused him of having presidential ambitions since kindergarten. When that didn't stick, the co-chair of Clinton's New Hampshire campaign raised Obama's teenage experimentation with drugs. She had to apologize.

The Clinton campaign is not without its faults, as well.

The campaign had to force the resignation of two Iowa volunteer coordinators who had forwarded e-mails that tried to tie Barack Hussein Obama, a Christian with a Muslim-sounding name, to Islamic jihadists.

Why can't Clinton just tell her volunteers to stay on message?

But go ahead and read the whole thing yourself. You won't find a single admonition toward Obama or the Obama campaign. It is as if they have been all sweetness and light while that mean old Hillary and her ruthless volunteers have been dragging this whole process through the mud. Isn't that nice of her? And so unbiased. I wonder what she said when Samantha monster Power stuck her foot in her mouth? That's right: ~crickets~

It wouldn't be kind of me to call Brazile deranged. So I won't. But I have to point out something she said that to me demonstrates exactly what is so very wrong about her and why she should be irrelevant. Again, her own words:

Race talk could cost Obama, Americans, more than just the presidency

If Obama loses the race for the presidency, I surely hope it's because the American people decide they want an old. wise hand, or someone who has spent more time inside Washington, D.C. Seriously, I would hope the rejection of Obama is not based on the color of his skin or his past association with a down-to-earth, wild-eyed preacher man who was "just like family." I would find it absolutely horrifying that we would hold Obama to a standard that is rarely applied to others. Obama, like McCain and Clinton, is not perfect. While they might not have a pastor called Wright, they surely have been associated with controversial and sometimes unsavory characters.

Now please pay careful attention to the words in bold. She actually said that Reverend Jeremiah Wright is down-to-earth! After you stop laughing (or crying) perhaps we can examine the seriousness of her outrageousness. Uh... Earth to Donna Brazile: I don't think that anyone that refers to a whole country full of people as "garlic noses" is down-to-earth. I don't think that someone who believes that we live in the US of KKK A is down-to-earth. I don't think that someone who thinks Louis Farrakhan is a person that truly epitomizes greatness is down-to-earth. And I don't think that someone who believes that the AIDS epidemic was created by the US government as a plague to destroy the black population is down-to-earth. I realize it just might be me. But people like that seem more like whack jobs than anything else. Crazy uncle doesn't even come close.

And finally just to give you a taste of how biased and self centered Donna Brazile really is we must recount her efforts to throw the GLBT community under the bus. On no uncertain terms, Brazile made it very clear that the Civil Rights community didn't include GLBT members. It is something based SOLELY on the color of one's skin, not the content of their character.

Deeply disappointing Donna

Dean admitted it was Brazile who objected most strenuously to a proposal put forward by gay Democrats to add GLBT delegates to affirmative action guidelines states follow when selecting those who attend the party's national convention:

Dean said some "influential individuals" within the DNC Black Caucus, such as Donna Brazile, opposed the plan because it was seen as "an affront to the civil rights movement."

"I wanted equal representation for gay and lesbian Americans," he said, "and I wanted to achieve it in a way that wasn't offensive to the history of the civil rights movement."

We've seen this before, of course. One particularly galling example was when the National Association of Black Journalists vetoed the inclusion of the National Lesbian & Gay Journalists Association in an umbrella group of minority journalists called -- ironically enough -- UNITY. Groups representing Hispanic, Native American and Asian American journalists OK'd NLGJA's participation but NABJ balked, and even pressed UNITY to change its name to UNITY: Journalists of Color.

And no, you did not misread this. Under Brazile's leadership the DNC will not consider the minority status of GLBT Democrats in determining delegates to the national convention. Does she sound like someone trying to unify the party? Maybe so in that Obama way that asks black people to reconsider their opinions about gay people by having Donnie I was gay until I was saved McClurkin campaign with him. Or by having Obama spiritual advisors like Reverend James Meeks that preach that homosexuality is an evil sickness. Yes, that is apparently the type of unity that Donna Brazile embraces. So the next time you see Obama supporters like Brazile on TV making all these pleas for unifying our party keep in mind what type of unity they are seeking,. Because it is a unity of none.

Update [2008-4-6 15:34:30 by Fleaflicker]: A member forwarded this exchange she had with Brazile on March 30 and 31 of this year:

Ms. Brazile,

It's come to my attention that this might be a better e-mail address for you, as I am still awaiting your reply to the message below.

Today on CNN, where you persist in having the viewers believe that you are neutral in the primary race, you stated that "it's all been worked out" in reference to the Democratic Party nomination. What did you mean by this? It implies that you have some kind of insider's information about the process. I have been keeping up with the news quite closely and it's my understanding that the super delegates will act independently, as they are required to do, to select the person best qualified to win the general election in November and the person best qualified to serve as our next Democratic president.

What was your implication, made on the air for millions of voters to hear?

Please be advised, Ms. Brazile, that Hillary Clinton's supporters will not go quietly into the night. We will not fall quietly in line behind Barack Obama. You may suggest that we are a radical fringe, but unfortunately you underestimate the power of women.

Now please, do the ethical thing and declare your partisanship and stop taking a salary as an objective journalist. You are not in this matter the least bit neutral, and everyone can see that.

Sincerely,

Hillary Supporter

And Brazile's response:

Yes, I have not declared. But no longer willing to stay parked in the neutral zone. Coming down on the side of reality.



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Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 10)

You can also thank Donna for making sure that Florida and likewise Michigan are in the quandry that they're in right now.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/ 2007/08/dnc-finds-flori.html

"I'm going to send a message to everybody in Florida that we're going to follow the rules," committee member Donna Brazile said.  

Even though in the DNC Rules which were written BEFORE the FL legislature met; stated that the penalty for changing would be a 50% reduction in delegates.

Yet Ms. Brazile who's on the RBC (Rules & By-laws committee) decided to push for sanctions, above and beyond what the "rules" were that were already agreed upon, and send a message.

Message recieved Donna.  You helped to lose the White House in 2000, and you're doing a great job now.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:49:21 AM EST

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 3)

If the DNC backs down now, no one will ever believe that they will enforce the rules and it will become the wild west in coming election cycles.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:00:50 AM EST
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Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 7)

Good.  The current system hasn't served Democrats too well, with our losing 7 of the last 10 presidential elections.  Maybe the wild west will work better.


by markjay on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:12:18 AM EST
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Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 2)

Amen.  From an Iowan to the rest of the party:  You can have it.


by creeper1014 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:20:23 AM EST
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Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 1)

I think it'll be more likely it'll only get worse.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:36:16 AM EST
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Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 3)

The Democrats lost Presidential races because we followed a losing strategy--and one that Donna Brazille isn't totally responsible for at all.

Recall that Gore "won' the popular voted but lost the electoral votes. It's been noted often that according to the 'big state' strategy used by the Dems back then, had Gore to pull funds from his home state, which he lost, and put them into 'big state' FL--had he concentrated more upon his own state, TN, he would have pulled it off.

Same thing for Kerry following that 'big state' strategy, had he not gone that route and depended upon Ohio, and gone after smaller states, he too could have had a better chance of winning. After all, Kerry pulled in a record  number of votes beating his own goals and yet still 'lost' those 'big states"--according to the Brookings Institute:

"In Florida, he said, Kerry received 600,000 more votes than Democrats assumed was necessary to carry the State, and still lost. In Ohio, where Kerry was also defeated, he received 500,000 more votes than the targeted number. The problem, according to Corrado, was that Republican turnout efforts were a staggering successful development that few anticipated."
http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2004/1 105elections.aspx

it's time to move away from this failing strategy because it's so easy to beat since the Republicans only have to GOTV in those big states to kill the Democratic contender.

The fifty state stratgey is the only way to go for the enlargement of the entire Democratic electoral success by claiming ALL states are important and that the Democrats CAN WIN by making the entire country it's electoral play--then watch the Republicans ATTEMPT to 'fight' in each state--that'll keep them busy won't it?

AND the fifty state strategy will have the GOP scratching it's head on how to beat the Dems.


by Wary on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:59:25 AM EST
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Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 2)

If the 50 state strategy is the way to win elections, why is it a good thing to have a 48 state strategy for the primary.


by moonheart on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:22:33 PM EST
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Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (none / 0)

Ask Harold Ickes.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:52:42 PM EST
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Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (none / 0)

Or you could have asked pre-Iowa Primary Hillary.  She had a completely different opinion about FL and MI.  I wonder what could have changed her mind.... hmmmm?


by mikeinsf on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:38:57 PM EST
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Our system is new and (so far) successful. (2.00 / 1)

Shifting Primaries and the 50 state strategy are shaking up the status quo.  Of course feelings will be hurt here and there, but Dean won us our biggest victories in decades and he'll do it again in November.  Beyond this, we have become more aware of the corporate Democrats and have begun the slow process of replacing them with 'Democrat' Democrats.

I know you are frustrated and looking for someone to blame, but you need not aim it at the biggest Democratic force for change in decades.


by dystopianfuturetoday on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 02:58:12 PM EST
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Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (none / 0)

Oh really, and you know this how?


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:44:08 AM EST
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not true (2.00 / 3)

all the DNC  has to do is come up with a plan that makes sense.  They decided to move up SC so that the African American vote would be more influential and Donna wanted to make sure that happened.  But how is a state where 50 percent to democrats black, representative of the rest of America? IA and NH for all their vast whiteness are much closer to the true balance than SC was.  The attempt to make SC the third in the nation to get "balance was a manipulation that backfired terribly and now we are paying the price by disenfranchising voters in two large states much more likely to go blue that SC is.  

You can't blame democrats in these states for the fact that republicans forced the primaries forward.  You can't blame states for wanting their primaries to be meaningful and voters should not be punished for that.

All the DNC has to do is come up with a real plan to fix this problem. There should be rotating primaries with all areas of the country represented.

Arbitrary and unjust rules are like unjust and arbitrary laws... they are worse than no rules at all.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:47:07 AM EST
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Re: not true (2.00 / 3)

A few weeks ago CSPAN replayed the fall, 2006, DNC convention that set the 'rules' for the Presidential Primaries, it was quite interesting to see how it all came down.

ALL states there agreed and approved the rules as they were, including having four 'kcick off' primaries to balance out the diversity within the Democratic Party--Iowa and New Hampshire first two, then S Carolian, Nevada, to represent the diversity of the Party.

Interestingly Florida was set for Super Tuesday.

I disagree that the Republicans should be 'faulted' after all, the Governor of MI is a Democrat she could have vetoed the bill moving it forward.

Also in Florida the entire Democratic Legilators, except three, voted WITH the Republicans to set Florida up BEFORE their agreed upon Super Tuesday date.

I mean, it was the DEMOCRATS in those states who BROKE their agreement with the Rules committee--they can't be 'trusted' in my view to uphold anything now--since they have a record of breaking a DEAL and going back on their words.

And good on Dean for holding them to their agreement and standing BY the rest of the country you know, those 48 STATES who upheld the integrity of OUR AGREEMENT!!!

Sorry I've not a bit of sympothy for these RULE BREAKERS, I think after SEVEN long years of RULE breaking by the Republicans in the government--I've had enough of it!


by Wary on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:38:42 AM EST
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Re: not true (2.00 / 1)

And we had 12 years of a Republican Governorship in Michigan, and he basically sold the State by tax cutting us to the bottom and leaving the State in the Red.

Don't attack my Democrats that are trying to do good work in Michigan because you need your Obama Presidency.


by novayahavoc on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:09:06 PM EST
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Re: not true (none / 0)

First, we all "need" an Obama presidency.

Second, in what way does the foolish actions of 12 years of Republican control of governship have any effect on how the Democratic government of Michigan conducted their primary?


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:09:33 PM EST
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Re: not true (none / 0)

Why do we 'need' an Obama presidency?


by moonheart on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:33:48 PM EST
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Re: not true (none / 0)

Because Democrats matter at ALL levels of government.  I swear, I continue to be shocked at the disconnect here.

On the one hand, Obama is supposedly the true vanguard of Democracy!  

And yet, he's regarded as this almost autocratic panacea.  With an Obama White House, New Orleans will be reconstructed, Iraq will end, and the Rust Belt will see a new, 21st century era of prosperity.

I'm a little more pragmatic.  Our Democrats are mostly SOLID Democrats working to correct real policy failures here in Michigan.  Solid, State and Local policy that more directly impacts us than just at the Federal level.

I do not advocate tying them to the sake just for the Primary clusterf**.  It's a distraction, and negative backlash toward Dems here on the ground will *not result in more Democratic elected officials.  

So no.  I won't take that bullet on our State/Local policy just because you "need" to have Obama win a Presidential Primary.

Many of my Democrats will still be in office after November of this year.  I can't say that the Democrats will have the White House.  So no.  I won't have you attacking my State and Local politicians.


by novayahavoc on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:20:01 PM EST
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Re: not true (none / 0)

So let me get this straight, b/c the Michigan Democrats created a "clusterf***", as you call it, we can't say that they did so.  I know we need those "mostly SOLID Democrats" to make things work and correct major policy failures.  Believe me, I probably understand this better than many posting on this site.  But we are supposed to call these SOLID Democrats are their fuck-ups when they do so.  Or else, it is a sad statement on democracy you are making.

I think there is a real disconnect between what I said and what you think I said.  The above poster was blaming the 12 years of Republican control of the gubernatorial seat and their current control of the Senate for the timing of the presidential primary.  Recent history demonstrates that that is not the case and I was calling him/her on it.

I never said that we should not support these Democrats in their elections or their policy reform efforts.

Finally, as to my "need" comment.  Once again I was responding to the above poster, who said that only Obama supporters "need" Obama as president.  I dismiss that entirely.  We as a nation need a Democratic president.  Neither Obama nor Clinton supporters are the only ones who need a president.  To relate why I think the nation needs Obama more Clinton would take a very long and you know most of the arguments already (and have apparently rejected them).  Either way though what I was responding to was the inference that there is some compulsion prompting Obama supporters beyond our desire to see a better government.  I do not see either you or I as being lead by anything but the best interests of our nation and ourselves.  And will try to dispel any notion that our candidates only benefit a specific sect of society.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:04:14 PM EST
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Re: not true (2.00 / 2)

Also in Florida the entire Democratic Legilators, except three, voted WITH the Republicans to set Florida up BEFORE their agreed upon Super Tuesday date.

Quite true. BUT the reason they did so was because the Republicans added a poison pill (namely the inclusion of paper ballots) in the bill that the democrats HAD to support. That is why the Democrats voted overwhelmingly for it. Because they wanted to restore some credibility to the electoral process in Florida. And for this they were penalized by the DNC. Go figure!


by Fleaflicker on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 02:29:35 PM EST
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Re: not true (none / 0)

I just wanted to step in here and say that, well, I read His44 for a long time but stopped after the commenters (some) started getting out of hand like Kossacks, especially in the back and forth with Donna Brazile.  

Doesn't anyone get it?

You undermine the REAL points you have to make by using this vitriolic language, the unflattering photos, accusing her of having a "meltdown."

Can't you write the serious information about FL and MI, her "neutrality" on CNN, that sort of thing without the inflammatory language?  It wouldn't be that hard, and it might help the argument to be taken seriously by those who don't already agree.

We can probably thank the Hillary is 44 commenters for handing Brazile a trove of messages.. that can be used to paint as crazy those who raise objections to her putting her thumb on the scale to help Obama.

Sorry, I'm just exasperated.  Why can't we be reality-based and not sensationalist.


by daria g on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:18:00 PM EST
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Re: not true (2.00 / 1)

I mean, it was the DEMOCRATS in those states who BROKE their agreement with the Rules committee--they can't be 'trusted' in my view to uphold anything now--since they have a record of breaking a DEAL and going back on their words.

It really kind of pisses me off when people present this information to make it seems as though the Floridian Democrats willfully defied the DNC.  The information that is missing is that the Florida Demcrats voted yes because the bill was tied to a paper trail for the ballots; their hands were tied since a paper ballot was really more important.  Michigan I can't speak for, but Florida?  Get real!


by moonheart on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:31:33 PM EST
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Of Course Blame the Black Folks!!! (2.00 / 2)

How dare blacks have their voices count. How dare them! Who cares that two predominantly white states have basically decided the nominee forever. Who cares that these two states don't even represent all of America but how dare the black folks have a say.

Is that what you are saying Teresa?


by regina1983 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 12:04:25 PM EST
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how do you answer this? (2.00 / 3)

Whatever makes Obama's supporters jump to accusations of racism when the discussion is about whether someone has her thumb on the scale for Obama?  Blaming Donna isn't blaming 'blacks,' it's blaming Donna.  She's so obviously for him that it's laughable that she's still trying to pass as neutral.  Obama can't take responsibility for sexism in this campaign, although he's benefited from it, but he's also benefited from racism, in that white people in white states don't get it, so they can be led to think that charges such as the one you just made are justified. Hillary has been accused soundly of running a negative campaign, and it isn't true. There are real differences, and plenty of them that have nothing to do with anything irrelevant to the issues. But if poorer white people vote for her, it must be racist?  It's clear to me that if Barack weren't running poor everybody would vote for her.  I don't fault black voters for wanting someone of color in the white house, I do too, but until he has a better insurance plan and a far better exit Iraq plan and far far better policy advisors, he won't be able to win on issues and competence, and so he'll try, like most politicians, to game the system, prevent Florida votes from counting and try to smear her in dismissive, character bashing and thus sexist terms. But Donna works for the DNC, and she's one reason I'm not donating anymore.  Our party is supposed to be neutral and she isn't. Neither is Howard, but he's trying to be neutral now because he knows people like me aren't donating. Donna doesn't care about the party, she plans to quit if her favorite son doesn't get the nomination.  Since she's working for him and not for all of us, I'd suggest he pay her.  


by anna shane on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:31:24 PM EST
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Re: how do you answer this? (2.00 / 2)

Seriously... everything someone writes about a person that happens to be black these days is considered disrespecting blacks in general. It is a disgusting tactic on their part. And very ugly.


by Fleaflicker on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 02:31:27 PM EST
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Re: how do you answer this? (none / 0)

Absolutes like "everything" kinda hurt your argument.  Overall a very nice hit piece on Donna that inflates admonishments of people who send her email.  I'd love to see the original emails before judging Donna's.

And great job by the poster working in Rev. Wright and Amerikkka!  

Have you noticed how many black people have been issued race cards?  And how many whites the distinct ability to determine when they're being played?


by niksder on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:25:36 PM EST
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Re: how do you answer this? (none / 0)

Seriously... everything someone writes about a person that happens to be a woman is considered misogyny. It is a disgusting tactic on their part. And very ugly.
by jwolf on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:52:20 PM EST
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Re: how do you answer this? (2.00 / 1)

Amen Sister!


by moonheart on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:36:11 PM EST
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Re: not true (2.00 / 1)

Also, it was democrats who pushed the primary forward in Michigan. Please please get your facts right.


by regina1983 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 12:05:26 PM EST
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Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 5)

You can thank Hillary's supporter Ickes who set up the rules for Florida to follow. You can also thank Hillary who said that Michigan's votes will not mean anything.  You can also thank Hillary's supporter the governor of Michigan for changing the rules they agreed and broke.  You can also than Florida's DNC who laughed about following the rules of the DNC and said they only counted and no other state.  I voted in Florida knowing and agreeing that my vote would not count because Florida broke the rules.


by Spanky on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:46:26 AM EST
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so why did you vote? (2.00 / 3)

come on, this suits you because you support Obama.  Your ethics are situational.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:49:14 AM EST
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Re: so why did you vote? (2.00 / 5)

No, it's the truth.  Everyone knew the rules and they decided to break them.  I think it is insulting that Hillary is trying to pull this, "I care about MI and FL" crap when she said back in December that this thing would be wrapped up on February 5th and she would be the nominee. She didn't give a damn about Texas, Ohio, Penn, PR, WV, OR, KY, IN, NC back then.  She was okay if they didn't vote or have their voices heard. She is doing this because she thinks it's the only way that she can win. It is disgusting and the fact that she has brainwashed her supporters into thinking that Obama doesn't want votes counted is absurd.


by regina1983 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:02:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: so why did you vote? (2.00 / 2)

Tahnk you Regina for standing up for ALL voters!

yeah, Clinton proclaimed in the last debate in 2007 to 'not worry, it would all be over by Super Tuesday' and then the REST of the country's vote would NOT have been important what so ever!

As it is even my own extremely late state KY is going to have a 'say' in this primary!

AND last year a few wanted to reset our primary 'earlier' so it would 'count' but that was shot down because it was already set to go for May 20th.

AND if the decison had been made we wouldn't have whined and moaned and groaned about our vote 'not counting' we never do, and here's why--the ONLY vote that counts is in November when we vote for President!


by Wary on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 12:08:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: so why did you vote? (2.00 / 1)

As it is even my own extremely late state KY is going to have a 'say' in this primary!

You must be very thankful to Hillary that she has bravely and determinedly stayed in this race and your state will now have a chance to feel relevant.

I was very proud to vote in the NY state primary, because contrary to popular opinion, or yours anyway, I think it is very important to have say in who the nominee is that we will have to vote for in November.  So no November is not the only important time to vote.


by moonheart on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:42:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: so why did you vote? (2.00 / 1)

My father, old Sicilian that he is, was very proud that he voted for Hillary.  No I don't think he would say that it is ok that his vote doesn't count.  


by moonheart on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:38:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: so why did you vote? (2.00 / 1)

Well, speaking of situational ethics, how many diaries did we have that actually dealt with actual state-sponsored disenfranchisement by the GOP... the effects of which will be lasting.  At least 3 by my count.

How many of these "defenders of democracy" recommended those diaries?  So many they made the rec list, right?  Nope.  The last one had about 4 comments total.

Quit trying to convince people that this is not politically motivated.  If this was not a tight fight, FL and MI wouldn't even be mentioned, except to say, well, it doesn't matter, so of course we will seat you.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 02:17:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 1)

Even though in the DNC Rules which were written BEFORE the FL legislature met; stated that the penalty for changing would be a 50% reduction in delegates.
False -- the DNC rules stated that 50% was the mandatory penalty, but that they could boost it up to 100% if circumstances warranted. Rule 20-C 5&6:
20-C-5:
Nothing in the preceding subsections of this rule shall be construed to prevent the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee from imposing additional sanctions, including, without limitation, those specified in subsection (6) of this section C., against a state party and against the delegation from the state which is subject to the provisions of any of subsections (1) through (3) of this section C., including ...
And section 6:
Nothing in these rules shall prevent the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee from imposing sanctions the Committee deems appropriate with respect to a state which the Committee determines has failed or refused to comply with these rules, where the failure or refusal of the state party is not subject to subsections (1), (2) or (3) of this section C. Possible sanctions include, but are not limited to: reduction of the state's delegation; pursuant to Rule 21.C., recommending the establishment of a committee to propose and implement a process which will result in the selection of a delegation from the affected state which shall (i) be broadly representative, (ii) reflect the state's division of presidential preference and uncommitted status and (iii) involve as broad participation as is practicable under the circumstances; reducing, in part or in whole, the number of the state's temporary and permanent members to the Standing Committees; reducing, in part or in whole, the number of guests, VIP and other passes/tickets to the National Convention and related functions; assignment of location of the state's delegates and alternates in the Convention hall; and assignment of the state's housing and other convention related facilities.

by Adam B on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:24:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Time to STFU about Michigan (2.00 / 1)

Clinton, just prior to the Michigan primary:

"I personally did not think it made any difference whether my name was on the ballot. You know, It's clear this election they are having is not going to count for anything."


by bookish on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 02:34:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Time to STFU about Michigan (none / 0)

Every time I see this quote, I wait for a single Hillary supporter to try and explain this. As yet, not one attempt...


by mikeinsf on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:43:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Time to STFU about Michigan (none / 0)

What is there to explain?

What Obama supporters need to explain is WHY they have disenfranchised the voters of Michigan AND Florida by blocking any attempts to revote.


by Fleaflicker on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:25:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Time to STFU about Michigan (none / 0)

1. Explain why Hillary was OK with the rules set by the DNC, but then only changed her tune when it suited her tactically (ie. she began losing elsewhere). Are we so glassy-eyed as to believe this is all about Hillary's lofty principles?

2. MI and FL won't be 'disenfranchised'.  They will be seated.  Guaranteed. It might not exactly satisfy Hillary demands, like, say, be based upon the Soviet-style single-candidate ballot in MI, but they will be represented. When that happens, this whole argument will go up in a poof of smoke, and Hillary will be left going through Obama's kindergarten papers for some kind of leverage.

And (3): while it's fun to blame Obama for the mess in these states, he doesn't control the process alone.  Sorry if Hillary can't just dictate how things are run, but these things are negotiated between several parties.  In both cases, it was the states who nixed a revote.

Oh, and (4) weren't people who stayed home during these contests also 'disenfranchised'?  They believed that the rules would stick.  Shouldn't they get a vote?


by mikeinsf on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 05:46:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Time to STFU about Michigan (none / 0)

Once more: silence.


by mikeinsf on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:43:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Eh (2.00 / 3)

I don't envy her the onslaught of deranged emails from that lot.


by Bee on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:52:00 AM EST

It's weird the most explicitly racist attacks (2.00 / 5)

have been launched against her and all for favouring a different superdelegate ethos then Hillary.

If the Hillary people want to know why the Superdelegates are all trcikling in for Obama it's because you're scaring the hell out of them.


by DSloth on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:50:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 5)

Well, I think she's right. What Bill Clinton and Clinton supporter Carville have said about superdelegates are sure to turn them off.   I'd also add the donor letter to Pelosi. Time for a review of politics 101 - you don't make friends and influence people by threatening them, delivering angry, red-faced speeches, nor by calling them names like Judas.

Brazille gave good advice.  If folks don't want to take it, well, then that's their business.  But that sort of thing does hurt Clinton with superdelegates.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:59:35 AM EST

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 4)

Threaten them?  No.  Point out that they are shilling and that supporters will back another candidate or speaker...that's wrong?

Well, then someone should call JJ jr. and tell him to back the hell off of John Lewis and others right?

Oh, how the world turns.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:38:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 5)

It's perhaps the essence of democracy to vote against an elected official because you don't agree with what she or he did.  If JJ said that constituents may hold a superdelegate accountable for his or her vote, well, that's what democratic control is all about.

Besides, I'm willing to give John Lewis the respect he deserves, which means believing what he said about why he decided to support Obama. And this man of great courage cited Obama's abilities to energize voters and to lead.  Personally I wouldn't want to argue that the heroic John Lewis was lying when he gave those reasons.  Making that argument is yet another way to insult and disrespect superdelegates - thus not a way to persuade them to support your candidate.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:50:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 2)

Why was I downrated for my comment above?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:55:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 1)

JL did say that Obama is inspiring, and he is.  He is a beautiful and gifted speaker.

Yet, Obama also encouraged JJ jr. to put pressure on JL and JJ jr. did so with the promise of someone challenging JL in the Nov. election for his seat and playing his own race card.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsm emo.com/2008/02/report_hillarys_black_su pporte.php

"Obama supporter Jesse Jackson, Jr.'s recent assertion that black super-dels not backing Obama might risk facing a primary challenge down the road."

JJ jr. did the same with Emanuel Cleaver..."He said Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois had recently asked him "if it comes down to the last day and you're the only superdelegate? ... Do you want to go down in history as the one to prevent a black from winning the White House?"


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:35:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (none / 0)

You have no evidence about what Obama did, just what JJ did.  And, as I argue above, what is wrong with elected officials being urged to pay attention to what their constituents want? Don't we do that all the time in arguing about how legislators should vote on bills?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:43:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (none / 0)

Kennedy, Kerry, Patrick, Richardson????


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 04:20:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (none / 0)

If you want to try, I think you'll have a real uphill battle getting rid of Kennedy and Kerry.  Patrick might be easier, b/c he is not very popular right now.  Richardson is already in his second term, so he has nothing to worry about being primaried.

There is nothing malicious in primarying a candidate b/c of the choices he/she makes (even in the preidential primary).  That is what primaries are all about.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:20:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (none / 0)

Very true.  I'm looking forward in 2012 to sending a couple checks to any solid challenger to NY's junior senator.


by mikeinsf on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:45:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (none / 0)

and I will counter your checks with checks of my own - if Hillary is still a senator and not the president.


by colebiancardi on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:55:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (none / 0)

JJJ is Obama's NATIONAL Campaign Manager.


by Fleaflicker on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 04:26:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (none / 0)

David Plouffe is the National Campaign Manager for Obama.

JJJ is involved as one of a plethora of co-chairs.

Please check your facts before you type.

Thank you, and stay classy.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:04:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 1)

First of all, JJ jr. is an Obama National Co-Chair for HIS NATIONAL CAMPAIGN.  Not IL, or a state, or a caucus...his Presidential National Campaign.

Second Obama NEVER re-butted or rebuked JJ jr. for what he was saying or for his backers harrasing and promising Clinton SD's with opposition in the GE and with threats from other backers.  He continued to sit silent and let JJ jr. go on the attack, against John Lewis, Cleaver and many others.  Some of who in the end; told JJ jr. to stuff it and bring it on.

If you want them to vote a certain way on a bill you call them up and leave a message, write letters or put up a website, press-release, etc.

You don't threaten them with opposition in the next election, backing on other bills or challenge their very worth or blackness by not being a supporter they chose.  Just over an endorsement.

Is that the Democratic party you want?  That is not the Democratic party that I've been a member of for the past 15 years, nor one where I would want to be if that is the norm that others would want or expect out of an endorser's supporters.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:52:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (none / 0)

Of course legislators are threatened with opposition in the next election because of their positions.

It most definitely happens over legislation and in contested nomination fights, it happens then, too.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:13:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (none / 0)

 The only thing Obama inspires me to do is donate money to Hillary's campaign. Heck, if I had a former pres Kennedy speechwriter to write for me, and if I could parrot the words of another 'inspiring'governor and if I sat on a church for 20 years to learn from a pro how one manipulates the masses, I would be pretty inspiring as well.


by RC01 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 02:17:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 1)

you need to donate more


by thewholeofthemoon on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 05:02:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (none / 0)

that was funny "then u need to donate more"....so true...but then I feel bad for the ordinary everyday folks that are donating their hard earned money to HRC's campaign.  They made over 109 million dollars and ask middle class and lower middle class folks for their hard earned money.  That makes me sick to my tummy.  They should pull a Mitt Romney and finance the remaining months with their millions, not on the backs of hard working folks.  Yes, I know they are making that choice to donate, but I bet they didn't know or realize the Clintons were sooo wealthy. I mean only 14,000 other americans are wealthier than the Clinton's.  Come on...stop asking folks to give to your poorly funded campaign.  If you want it so bad then fund your campaign yourself as you have plenty to spare!


by gabbie on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:24:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

baloney (1.75 / 8)

she is threatening people and being a bully.  And she is being a big fat liar about being unbiased.  She should just admit she supports Obama and cut the crap.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:51:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: baloney (2.00 / 0)

SHe is not threatening people she is defending herself which she should. Nancy Pelosi represents the people of San Francisco not Hillary's elite club of 25. How dare they tell her what to do.


by regina1983 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:04:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: baloney (2.00 / 1)

Really?  Just the people of San Fransico?  Just the people from her district?

I guess we all gave her too much credit for being the #3 person in the Presidential heirarchy, as well as the House Majority Leader and a Super-delegate from California.

How dare they tell her they expect her to be fair and equal to BOTH delegates, and measured in her responses and comments.

yes, how dare they.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:40:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: baloney (2.00 / 0)

First, she's the SPEAKER, not the House Majority Leader (that would be Steny Hoyer).

Second, as a representative she does have only a responsibility to her district.  As a Speaker, she has the responsibility to represent her throughly divided caucus on this issue.

And in doing so, she has done nothing to favor one candidate or the other.  All she has said and she has said it from the beginning of the race is that the pledged delegate leader should be the nominee.  That's not favoring one candidate or the other.

I mean perish the thought that the will of the Democratic party as expressed through their delegates elected to the convention would choose our nominee.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:27:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: baloney (2.00 / 2)

I mean perish the thought that the will of the Democratic party as expressed through their delegates elected to the convention would choose our nominee.

Although if you look at the open primaary states, and how un-Democratic party the nomination process is, you would have to agree that it's not really Democrats that are nominating Obama.  If all primaries were closed as they are in NY, it would be Hillary that would have more votes and more delegates.  It's independents and republicans that favor Obama and have tilted the contest in his direction in the open primary states.  As a Democrat, I really resent that independents and republicans have so much say in who MY nominee is.


by moonheart on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:55:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: baloney (none / 0)

Suddenly the process is unfair when Hillary's losing...  

Was everyone really as surprised by the rules as they pretend to be?


by mikeinsf on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:48:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: baloney (none / 0)

If you read the comment more carefully, you would notice that I was not expressing surprise, rather the hypocrisy inherent in saying 'perish the thought' that the democratic party should choose the nominee.  The comment that I was commenting on was implying that someone is trying to block Democrats from choosing who they want.  When in fact, this whole system is designed so that Democratic voters are not choosing their candidate.  MI and FL not having delegates seated and Open primary states especially early in the process so that they are even more heavily weighted.....I mean come on how is this Democrats really choosing their candidate.  And surprise has nothing to do with it.  I think the system needs a revamping, and it's not a new thought.


by moonheart on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:16:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: baloney (none / 0)

You are absolutely correct.  I meant Speaker, not MJ of the House.  I was late for a tee-time and did not proof-read before posting.

"If the votes of the superdelegates overturn what's happened in the elections, it would be harmful to the Democratic party," Pelosi said in an interview taped Friday for broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week."

This isn't favoring one candidate over another in the current climate?

"Pelosi's comments could influence other House Democrats who are neutral in the presidential race and will attend the convention as superdelegates."

In her interview, Pelosi also said that even if one candidate winds up with a larger share of the popular vote than the delegate leader, the candidate who has more delegates should prevail.

Not partial to one candidate over another?

If it was a winner take all race, then so be it, let the delegates be the final decision makers.  However, the PARTY decided that Super-delegates would have a vote (say) at the Convention.  If Pelosi really believes this, she and other Super-del's shouldn't even bother with voting.  Let the pledged delegates decide.

But then, we would be changing the rules again.  In order to favor one candidate over another.

Perish the thought.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:20:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: baloney (2.00 / 0)

This contest is one of delegates not popular vote.  That's what it was before it was established.  She said the same thing prior to Obama overtaking the delegate lead.

There is no favoritism in supporting the pledged delegate leader.  Just as there is not favoritism in supporting the popular vote leader.  All that is being said is that the will of the people as expressed through their votes will determine the nominee of the Democratic Party.

She has chosen the delegates as determinant of the will of the people.  This is not inappropriate due the fact that is difficult to determine the exact number of popular votes given in the caucuses.  I do not look down on somebody who will use the popular vote as a barometer, but you should not castigate Speaker Pelosi's choice either.

Finally, the Party did say that superdelegates would have independce in their choice of candidate, but is it really beyond the pale to say that these people should vote as the grassroots of the party has directed them.  Superdelegates can overturn the will of the people as expressed through the popular vote and/or the delegate lead, but it's not a bright idea.  While I will support the Democratic candidate, I fear others won't if the nomination is seen as illegitmate.  And what is more illegitimate that a minority of elites overturning a majority of the people.  To say so does not represent partiality.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:22:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: baloney (1.33 / 3)

"a big fat liar"
Oh my, such language!
Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:51:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 1)

This cuts both ways.  

"Ironically, last summer Ickes -- as a sitting member of the Democratic National Committee Rules and Bylaws Commission -- voted to strip those states of their delegates when the states moved up their primaries to dates before February 5.  Those moves were seen as a threat to the traditional first states Iowa and New Hampshire and were therefore punished by the party.

"With respect to the stripping, I voted as a member of the Democratic National Committee.  Those were our rules and I felt that we had an obligation to enforce them," Ickes said.

But now Ickes, as a member of Clinton's team, wants to change the rules."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/ 2008/02/clinton-will-fi.html


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:00:39 AM EST

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (none / 0)

It should be clarified, that at the time Ickes was not a part of the Clinton campaign, and was persuaded by Brazile.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:26:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 7)

And we all know Donna Brazile is not a BO supporter.  She has not decided yet.  And i have a bridge to sell in NY.  Whatever.

david


by giusd on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:05:16 AM EST

I'd be surprised if she wasn't (2.00 / 5)

I don't blame her for being for Obama.  I don't have a problem with the identity politics which are obvious when 86 percent of African Americans support Obama.  What I have a problem with is her dishonestly and her going on CNN and allowing them to list her as a "democratic strategist" rather than an Obama partisan.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:30:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'd be surprised if she wasn't (2.00 / 1)

And what of George Stephenopolis? He has is own SHOW and is a shill for Hillary, should he be cancelled??


by lion king on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 12:53:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'd be surprised if she wasn't (2.00 / 1)

  As a Chair of the Democratic Committee Voting Rights Institute (what a joke), and considering her position in the Party, she should have the decency to keep her mouth shut. Because of people like her, Dean, and other major morons and losers, Hillary's supporters won't support Obama.
  You are comparing apples and oranges. Stephanopoulos has just a tv show, just like Ogremman, thrill-up-his-leg Mattews, and execrable pumpkim-face Hussert and many other 'journalists' and pundits that abound on CNN and other networks who have zero jounalistic integrity.  
by RC01 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 02:50:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'd be surprised if she wasn't (2.00 / 1)

No, they should bring back Carville and Begala if they are keeping Brazile.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 04:22:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'd be surprised if she wasn't (none / 0)

Exactly!


by Fleaflicker on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 04:27:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'd be surprised if she wasn't (none / 0)

ROTFLMAO!  Stephenopolis is for Obama and has even said he would not take a position for either Bill or Hillary should one be offered.

I guess you've never watched the show, or would know that he's very pro-Obama.

You just made my Sunday.  That was a good one.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:40:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'd be surprised if she wasn't (none / 0)

Beautifully said....Hillary supporters can be myopic and blinded in their support of their candidate and so can't Obama supporters, but it would be nice if they could be more grounded in their posts/comments and less hateful and divisive.


by gabbie on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:04:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Agree (2.00 / 3)

This is the only problem I have with Donna Brazille is that in order to be a commentator on the news networks she first claimed to be an 'uncommitted' super delegate, which she is, but pressed for her job she changed that to 'undecided'. She is not undecided and clearly backs Obama. That is okay.  Nobody is fooled but rather than being dishonest about it she should clearly state she is an Obama supporter and let the chips fall where they may on her job prospects. Until then, she has no credibility trying to say she is neutral.


by Justwords on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:21:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 6)

My question is:  Why in the hell did they make the rule in the first place?  To strip two crucial states like MI and FL from delegates was the most idiotic, pathetic thing any political party could every do!! This is why the DEMOCRATS HAVE ONLY WON 7 OF THE LAST 10 ELECTIONS.  WE HAVE IDIOTS LIKE DEAN AND BRAZILE LEADING IT.


by tricia19 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:32:07 AM EST

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 3)

They made the rule to preserve the place of NH and IO.  Everyone kept moving earlier and earlier.

Of course the irony is that post-Super Tuesday states turned out to be important and FL and MI could have been in that mix.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:36:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (none / 0)

Of course it makes perfect sense to dump on two of the biggest stated in the country to protect Iowa and NH.

Perfect sense...


by Dave B on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 12:37:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Unity of None: Donna Brazile (none / 0)

NH and IO have historically been early. They want to protect their historic role.

BTW, since HRC has taken her position to count votes from the elections she said shouldn't count, polls show her losing IO and NH.  Maybe you don't think they matter. But if Gore had won NH in 2000, he would have been president.  (And Bush won IO in 2004 but not 2000). Both are swing states.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:22:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: preserve the place of NH (2.00 / 1)


Actually the Sec. of State of NH put out a public statement that NH was ok with Florida's new primary date of 01/29 because it still follows all the early primary/caucus states of IA, NH, SC and NV.

from Manchester Union Leader:

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx? headline=Gardner+OK+with+Florida+primary +jump+to+Jan.+29&articleId=41c03c43- 176e-4a88-8254-ac8b25789b7e


by moevaughn on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:54:17 PM EST
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Re: preserve the place of NH (2.00 / 1)

And Michigan decided to move up AFTER NH moved their primary up. History and the sequence of events is important.


by Fleaflicker on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 04:28:43